Practice the Golden Rule of Dating – Guest Post by Jeremy Orr

Editor’s Note: This post is written by Jeremy Orr with collaboration and editing from me. Jeremy does not have a blog (yet!) but you can follow his often witty and generally hilarious tweets here.

Jeremy is a good friend I met in high school through the CA Youth & Government program. If you want to put a face to the name, check-out this embarrassingly old picture of us (Photo was taken with my good friend Lauren Jew in high school; note that I practically have blond hair!). For a more current photo, check out this picture from our recent sailing adventure, in which we further developed many of the ideas in this post.

Just for Fun (Photo by Fuffer on Flickr)

Photo Credit: Fuffer on Flickr

Practice the Golden Rule of Dating

The golden rule of dating is the same golden rule you learned in grammar school: treat others the way you want to be treated. It may sound obvious and cliche, but based on some of my recent experiences, let me provide a little refresher on common courtesies when it comes to dating or being in a relationship.

Dating 2.0

Dating today seems much more casual than in decades past. Technology – whether online profiles, cell phones, emails, chat or voicemail – allows for a certain distance while also keeping us conveniently connected. The “traditional” methods of dating have gone out the window. Meeting someone in a bar seems so passé. And meeting a friend of a friend is awkward – if it doesn’t work out, you could lose a friend in the process! As much as we may hate to admit it, online dating has become a more viable option, especially considering how much information people openly share online these days. Online dating may be less stigmatized, but still no one wants to admit that they actually do it!

The rub of dating for our generation has become anonymity. In my experience, people seem to use technology to stretch the truth (and worse) when it comes to dating. I can understand it but I cannot condone it.

The Truth and Nothing but the Truth

Here’s why I understand stretching the truth or pretending to be someone you are not: you are dating, you want to get out into the world (cyber or otherwise) and you want to present your best self. You want to obtain the best possible match. Let’s face it, almost everyone wants to date up. Everyone wants to find someone that is the best for them. You want to see what that magic mirror version of yourself can fetch on the open market. Not what your “I forgot to shave and brush my teeth” self can muster. In that sense, I understand it. It happens to the best of us. However, that does not mean it is okay to lie.

For those of you doing online dating: are you 5’9? Tell people you are 5’9 and not 5’11. People are going to notice those two inches. People lie about their height or weight before meeting and seem to think that is okay. It is not. It is misrepresenting yourself. If you are dishonest before you meet someone, it does not matter if you think your wonderful personality and stunning wit will win them over. They will be automatically turned off by your little fib.

Jeremy’s Obligatory Personal Anecdote (OPA): I met a nice girl online once. She was very cute in her profile pics. We shared some emails in which we shared some common interests and I thought she was funny, playful, and sharp. Three things I like. We made plans to meet for coffee. I got there early and was excited. She showed up and was (now I am no carnival barker) 60 pounds heavier than her pictures. I am not opposed to a girl who is bigger, especially if she has a great attitude and owns her look. However, I felt lied to. I felt like I was intentionally deceived. I was polite, enjoyed my beverage, but no matter how well our meeting went, it could not make up for the initial misrepresentation.

To Thine Own Self Be True

Just be comfortable with who you are and what you do. Know what you like and what you seek in another person. Ideally you want to find someone who likes to do what you like to do, not someone who likes what you like them to do (and vice versa). Don’t lie to make yourself seem interesting or more attractive. If the other person isn’t interested in you for you, let them go. This can be hard to do, especially if the other person represents an idealized version of yourself – someone or something you wish you were. But do it anyway. Move on. The things you expect from other people, like being in shape, you must also do yourself. It is okay to put your best self out there, but be honest about it.

Be upfront and let people know what you are looking for – that is the only way you will find it. For some of us, we need to stop and take the time to think about what it is that we want. Be honest with yourself. Are you looking for a long term relationship or just a good time? Are you in a relationship that you know is a dead-end? These are things we have to take the time to think about. Understandably, sometimes we are looking for different things at different moments in our lives. We are complex beings. But if we can’t understand ourselves and what we want, then how can we ever expect anyone else to understand us? Take the time to find out what it is you are looking for.

The End of the Road

Honesty needs to happen in all phases of dating, not just before you meet and while getting to know someone. It is also important to be honest if a relationship is coming to an end. If you aren’t interested in someone, it can be a difficult phone call to make: sorry, this isn’t working for me and I want to let you know.

When do you “owe” someone this call? If you have just gone out on a first date and it didn’t go well, do you need to call and let them know? If it would be awkward without a call, you need to make the call. Perhaps you find they appreciate your candor and you will feel better about yourself. You will be presenting a positive you into the dating realm that you can feel good about. This self-confidence will ultimately help you. Besides, don’t you appreciate it if someone is honest with you? Yes, it sucks to know that the person doesn’t like you, but at least you know. When you think all is well and that person just drops off the face of the earth it can be somewhat concerning. Make the difficult phone call; you’ll be glad you did.

Bottom line: if you are doing something and wouldn’t want it done to you, you shouldn’t do it. So as cliche as it sounds, we could all use a reminder to go by the golden rule when dating: treat other people the way you want to be treated. Walk around with your head held high knowing you are someone who dates with honesty, integrity, and respect. Join the club, I’ll have patches made for our sleeves. We can even meet for coffee once a month to share scar stories from break-up phone calls gone awry.

  • http://ninetodone.com/ Irina I

    Jenny Blake!

    1. Lauren was my team leader (or whatever they’re called) when I was a freshman at Gunn. How funny? Yeah, I was one of “her freshmen.” Orientation is a painful memory that I do not want to get into, though :-) .

    2. Jeremy, I think nothing beats real life, though. Online can supplement real life dating, but it’s hardly a substitute. And I always have to meet a person before I figure out whether I like them or not. There is a certain chemistry between two people that you can only feel in person (this goes for friends, too).

    3. I am a firm believer into stalking guys into liking you. I don’t have a success story yet, but I’m pretty sure this method works.

    Great post!

  • http://ninetodone.com/ Irina I

    Jenny Blake!

    1. Lauren was my team leader (or whatever they’re called) when I was a freshman at Gunn. How funny? Yeah, I was one of “her freshmen.” Orientation is a painful memory that I do not want to get into, though :-) .

    2. Jeremy, I think nothing beats real life, though. Online can supplement real life dating, but it’s hardly a substitute. And I always have to meet a person before I figure out whether I like them or not. There is a certain chemistry between two people that you can only feel in person (this goes for friends, too).

    3. I am a firm believer into stalking guys into liking you. I don’t have a success story yet, but I’m pretty sure this method works.

    Great post!

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com/ Grace Boyle

    I’ve seen this time and time before, where a girlfriend is upset because of how a guy she was dating treated her (or ignored her). Then she is dating someone and isn’t interested…she then won’t return his phone call or be upfront or just acts uninterested. You get what you give and although there can be some uncomfortable times in dating, why wouldn’t we treat others like we wanted to be treated?

    Great tips and thoughts here. Dating doesn’t have to be as harrowing as many people make it out to be (Grace, take your own advice)! ;)

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    I’ve seen this time and time before, where a girlfriend is upset because of how a guy she was dating treated her (or ignored her). Then she is dating someone and isn’t interested…she then won’t return his phone call or be upfront or just acts uninterested. You get what you give and although there can be some uncomfortable times in dating, why wouldn’t we treat others like we wanted to be treated?

    Great tips and thoughts here. Dating doesn’t have to be as harrowing as many people make it out to be (Grace, take your own advice)! ;)

  • Lauren Jew

    I’m so glad you included that lovely pic of us :) What an epic photo shoot.

    P.S…hopefully I didn’t scare to many underclassmen….permanently that is.

  • Lauren Jew

    I’m so glad you included that lovely pic of us :) What an epic photo shoot.

    P.S…hopefully I didn’t scare to many underclassmen….permanently that is.

  • Jeremy Orr

    Thanks, Irina!
    That was something Jenny and I talked about quite a bit when we were sailing; the importance of chemistry and the initial “spark”. (That and yelling “I’m on a BOAT!”).
    You want to see that person across the room and say “I want to know who THAT is!”. There is no controlling it and it certainly doesn’t exist with online dating. Trust me, I would prefer to meet people “organically”, but it seems some people have become shut off to that possibility these days for whatever reason.
    I’m not trying to change dating, I just think there is a right way too do it. It’s not the easy way but it’s just the right thing to do. I’m sure your hiding in boys bushes is just and noble in it’s own unique way.
    Thanks for reading and good luck with the stalking.
    ~Jeremy

  • Jeremy Orr

    Thanks, Irina!
    That was something Jenny and I talked about quite a bit when we were sailing; the importance of chemistry and the initial “spark”. (That and yelling “I’m on a BOAT!”).
    You want to see that person across the room and say “I want to know who THAT is!”. There is no controlling it and it certainly doesn’t exist with online dating. Trust me, I would prefer to meet people “organically”, but it seems some people have become shut off to that possibility these days for whatever reason.
    I’m not trying to change dating, I just think there is a right way too do it. It’s not the easy way but it’s just the right thing to do. I’m sure your hiding in boys bushes is just and noble in it’s own unique way.
    Thanks for reading and good luck with the stalking.
    ~Jeremy

  • http://www.chinarut.com/ Chinarut

    wow- this post is great! i think the whole point around knowing who you are and just being yourself is important. i think in our online world of dating – it’s very easy to have expectations of who the other person is (and perhaps is not!) before you meet them and well, if both parties don’t let go, it ain’t gonna turn out so hot!

    and then there’s patience :)

  • http://www.chinarut.com Chinarut

    wow- this post is great! i think the whole point around knowing who you are and just being yourself is important. i think in our online world of dating – it’s very easy to have expectations of who the other person is (and perhaps is not!) before you meet them and well, if both parties don’t let go, it ain’t gonna turn out so hot!

    and then there’s patience :)

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org/ Jenny Blake

    Irina – that is so funny that Lauren was your freshman orientation leader!! That cracks me up. I was one too — I bet our paths crossed long, long ago and we didn’t even know it. Now look at us!

    I love your persistence and determination when it comes to guys – now lets just find a good one that will return the favor for you!!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org Jenny Blake

    Irina – that is so funny that Lauren was your freshman orientation leader!! That cracks me up. I was one too — I bet our paths crossed long, long ago and we didn’t even know it. Now look at us!

    I love your persistence and determination when it comes to guys – now lets just find a good one that will return the favor for you!!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org/ Jenny Blake

    Hey Grace! Thanks so much for your comment. It’s so, SO true that we often place a double-standard on others in terms of what we expect when dating. If a guy doesn’t call, he’s an asshole. If we don’t call (making sweeping generalizations here) – well – that’s just how you handle it. Not fair! Jeremy gives us all a good reminder to treat each other with respect and dignity – even when it feels like the hardest route to take.

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org Jenny Blake

    Hey Grace! Thanks so much for your comment. It’s so, SO true that we often place a double-standard on others in terms of what we expect when dating. If a guy doesn’t call, he’s an asshole. If we don’t call (making sweeping generalizations here) – well – that’s just how you handle it. Not fair! Jeremy gives us all a good reminder to treat each other with respect and dignity – even when it feels like the hardest route to take.

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org/ Jenny Blake

    Epic is right! Time for an updated photo shoot – we were so good at those :D . Good luck studying for the bar exam!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org Jenny Blake

    Epic is right! Time for an updated photo shoot – we were so good at those :D . Good luck studying for the bar exam!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org/ Jenny Blake

    Thanks Chinarut! I completely agree that knowing yourself and what YOU want (not what you think others want) is the number one factor. Without that, it’s like dating in the dark (hey, isn’t there a reality show on that now?).

    And oh yes, how could we forget about patience. :D I feel like when it comes to dating that is my middle name! I am often reminding myself to let go of expectations, be patient and just enjoy my life right now as it is.

    Thanks again for stopping by!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org Jenny Blake

    Thanks Chinarut! I completely agree that knowing yourself and what YOU want (not what you think others want) is the number one factor. Without that, it’s like dating in the dark (hey, isn’t there a reality show on that now?).

    And oh yes, how could we forget about patience. :D I feel like when it comes to dating that is my middle name! I am often reminding myself to let go of expectations, be patient and just enjoy my life right now as it is.

    Thanks again for stopping by!

  • Jeremy Orr

    Wow, so many great comments, thank you for reading and finding as much interest in this as I do.

    I think many of us trying to date these days have come across the similar circumstances, this culture of dating if you will, where people think it’s ok to be disrespectful. It’s just people choosing the easy wrong over the hard right. As a friend said to me yesterday when we were discussing this: you wouldn’t act this way in business or treat your friends and family in this manner. It’s high time we changed this dating culture.

  • Jeremy Orr

    Wow, so many great comments, thank you for reading and finding as much interest in this as I do.

    I think many of us trying to date these days have come across the similar circumstances, this culture of dating if you will, where people think it’s ok to be disrespectful. It’s just people choosing the easy wrong over the hard right. As a friend said to me yesterday when we were discussing this: you wouldn’t act this way in business or treat your friends and family in this manner. It’s high time we changed this dating culture.

  • https://twitter.com/thaoly Thao Ly

    That picture is hilarious!

  • https://twitter.com/thaoly Thao Ly

    That picture is hilarious!

  • Justin Noland

    It definitely seems like being honest about who you are should be a given, but it isn’t. Dating is a fairly simple concept of finding a person who you connect with and have a mutual attraction. It doesn’t have to be any more complex than that. Don’t take it so personally when someone decides that you aren’t the one for them and vice versa. It isn’t an insult, just a fact, get on with your life and your search. Everyone deserves the common courtesy of a quick phone call. It doesn’t have to get detailed. No reason to tell a guy that his crooked teeth bother you so much that you can never see yourself kissing him, but a quick call to say, “Hey, you’re cool, but just not for me. Thanks for the date.” How hard is that?

    Also, “Online Dating” is a misnomer. You are not dating anyone online. Online introductions and conversations take place, but until you meet, you are not dating. The web has provided a beautiful tool to allow you to expand your possible match horizons, find someone with common interests and gauge their personality long before actually talking to them or seeing them. However, nothing can replace the butterflies in the stomach and electricity in the air of actually spending time with someone.

    Great work Jeremy.

  • Justin Noland

    It definitely seems like being honest about who you are should be a given, but it isn’t. Dating is a fairly simple concept of finding a person who you connect with and have a mutual attraction. It doesn’t have to be any more complex than that. Don’t take it so personally when someone decides that you aren’t the one for them and vice versa. It isn’t an insult, just a fact, get on with your life and your search. Everyone deserves the common courtesy of a quick phone call. It doesn’t have to get detailed. No reason to tell a guy that his crooked teeth bother you so much that you can never see yourself kissing him, but a quick call to say, “Hey, you’re cool, but just not for me. Thanks for the date.” How hard is that?

    Also, “Online Dating” is a misnomer. You are not dating anyone online. Online introductions and conversations take place, but until you meet, you are not dating. The web has provided a beautiful tool to allow you to expand your possible match horizons, find someone with common interests and gauge their personality long before actually talking to them or seeing them. However, nothing can replace the butterflies in the stomach and electricity in the air of actually spending time with someone.

    Great work Jeremy.

  • http://www.chinarut.com/ Chinarut

    hey – it’s nice to follow this thread – i found the article i wanted to share with y’all earlier bout “ambient intimacy” and the role technology plays – it’s one of my favorites if you haven’t read it yet!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/magazine/07awareness-t.html?_r=1

    enjoy!

  • http://www.chinarut.com Chinarut

    hey – it’s nice to follow this thread – i found the article i wanted to share with y’all earlier bout “ambient intimacy” and the role technology plays – it’s one of my favorites if you haven’t read it yet!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/magazine/07awareness-t.html?_r=1

    enjoy!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org/ Jenny Blake

    That is such an interesting article, Chinarut – thanks for sharing!

  • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org Jenny Blake

    That is such an interesting article, Chinarut – thanks for sharing!

  • Jenny

    the article is great written….i think today dating much more easy than in the past. i the past it takes a long time to get in contact with each other. Today you can meet a stranger online very fast…there is no problem today anymore.

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