The Personal MBA: Interview & Book Giveaway

I have a confession. When people ask me why I started Life After College five years ago, I tell them it’s because I felt lost and lonely at age 20 and wanted to help other graduates get on their feet faster.

But there’s another reason too. I thought I needed to start a business so that I could get into business school (run my life according to the mysterious admissions office gods…great plan, huh?), so I launched this website two years before it became a blog. I’ve never told anyone that because I don’t want to take away from the passion I feel for helping others, and I’m somewhat embarrassed by the less-than-pure beginning.

I felt like business school would give me some magic credibility, validity and career success. But after I bought 4 GMAT/MBA books that I didn’t even crack open ONCE in the span of a year, I realized I couldn’t stomach going into $150K of debt just for a degree that I wasn’t sure would deliver what I was wanting.

Enter Josh Kaufman and his The Personal MBA project. Josh has a blog and book that provide comprehensive business-education resources to help people “master the art of business without mortgaging [their] lives.”

I’ve had the pleasure of interviewing Josh, and am excited to announce another book giveaway! Leave a comment below by Thursday, 12/23 and I will select a winner using Random.org to receive a copy of The Personal MBA.

Josh KaufmanInterview with Josh Kaufman

Many of my readers are twenty-somethings and recent college grads. What would you advise those who are on the fence about getting an MBA? What about those who don’t really feel like they need one, but feel pressure (from parents or society) to get that extra credential?

Save your money – you can do much better by investing a little time learning the basics on your own. Research indicates that getting an MBA doesn’t really help you in the long run, and getting an MBA can be enormously expensive, particularly if you attend a top school. On top of the direct expense, student loans restrict your freedom and flexibility in ways that severely limit your options. All told, the very limited potential benefits aren’t worth the massive risks – particularly if you’re interested in starting your own business.

Getting an education and obtaining a credential are entirely different things. You don’t need a credential to do well in business, since there are no legal requirements that force you to get a credential before getting started. Your customers don’t care whether or not you have a degree if you can give them what they need or want.  Provide enough value to people who want what you have enough to pay for it, and you’ll do quite well, degree or no degree.

You do, however, need a world-class education if you want to do well in business. Fortunately, you can learn what you need to know on your own, without mortgaging your life in the process.

If you’re feeling pressure from other people to obtain a credential, it helps to remember that they aren’t living your life. You owe it to yourself to figure out what you want, and the best way to go about getting it. Other people may have opinions, but they’re just that – opinions. Ultimately, you live with the consequences of your actions, so make your own decisions.

I often use the phrase, “If you’re not learning, you are obsolete.” How do you hope to change the business-related learning game with this book?
Personal MBA Book

My goal is to help people interested in business learn the essentials – the very small set of ideas they need to understand in order to do great work. I call these ideas “business mental models,” and my job is to help you learn them as quickly as possible.

As it turns out, the 80/20 principle applies to learning too. Learn the 5% of concepts that provide 95% of the value of business study, and you’ll do quite well. Once you know the fundamentals, you can go surprisingly far, whether you’re staring your own company or doing great work for someone else. My book is designed to teach those fundamentals.

Most people assume business is complicated, and as a result, they find it difficult to get started. The wonderful truth is that business isn’t complicated – it’s just not taught very well, so it’s intimidating. Business isn’t rocket science, but you do have to know what businesses really are and how they really work if you want to do well.  Once you’ve mastered the essentials, you’re in good shape.

If you could give the Life After College community one piece of encouragement or career advice, what would it be?

Experiment constantly – there’s no faster way to learn. Side projects, diligently pursued, can benefit you more than even the best degree. If you have an idea for a business, figure out how to start making progress on the side, using your own resources. Speed and flexibility are your friends – just keep making little improvement to discover what works.

The Personal MBA started as a side project – I wanted to learn how to do well in business, so I started learning in my spare time. Six years later, I’m a professional business teacher with clients all over the world, I have no debts, I have the freedom to live however and wherever I want, and I’ve published my first book… all because I decided to start a crazy side project, experimented constantly, and stuck with it for years. Without experimenting, none of these things would’ve occurred, and my life would be very different.

What has been your biggest failure-turned-success or blessing-in-disguise story (in life or business)?

A little over a year ago, I decided to offer my first business course. I thought that bringing a group of people with similar goals to learn and discuss important business concepts via phone would do very well.  I prepared my launch materials, published them, and waited for the signups to roll in.

Radio silence… nothing. In the end, only one person signed up after a week of promotion. My expectations were high, so I was devastated.

After recovering from the disappointment, I tried to figure out why it flopped – so I asked my readers. As it turns out, people were interested in the learning part – they just didn’t think they’d be able to commit to meeting regularly at certain times, so they didn’t sign up. That was a Barrier to Purchase I could fix.

Two weeks later, I launched the Personal MBA Business Crash Course. It was the same learning material, with a different structure – an online video course that my students could take at their own pace, no matter where they lived around the world.

Almost immediately, over 200 people signed up – far better than I expected.  Since then, the course has developed into a very active and dedicated community of business learners from around the world, and is a cornerstone of my business education company.

Keep experimenting, and you’ll inevitably find something that works. In a very real sense, there’s no such thing as failure – just experiments that provide you with more data to use in the next iteration.

To enter to win the book giveaway: leave a comment below by Thursday, 12/23 and I will select a winner using Random.org to receive a copy of The Personal MBA.

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On a related note: want to network without the pain of small-talk?

Brazen Careerist’s Network Roulette is one of the most innovative developments I’ve seen recently in the networking space. You can sign into Brazen Careerist and get paired up with a new person to chat with for three minutes at a time. If you enjoyed talking to each other, it’s easy to send a follow-up note afterward.

Ryan also recently announced a daily lunch hour (12EST, 9PST) called Community Karma to “make sure everyone gets the help that they need through 3-minute conversations with me and other community leaders on Brazen Careerist.” I highly recommend trying a Network Roulette or the daily karma hour – it’s a great way to meet a lot of people with similar interests in a short amount of time!

43 comments

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  • Brucebucks

    Great Post and fascinating stuff! I will definitely be looking into his book!

  • Katie

    I’ve been struggling with how I fit into the work world ever since I graduated college a a little over four years ago and this book sounds like it might help me. If I don’t win it, I’ll still probably check it out!

    • Katie

      Do you know if he has any plans to release in audiobook format?

  • http://entryleveldilemma.blogspot.com Edward – Entry Level Dilemma

    I’ve wanted to take a look at this book for a while now.

  • http://www.beatrizalemar.com Beatriz Alemar

    I was toying with the idea of going to grad school for my MBA a little over a year ago. I decided not to even bother. I realized the only reason I wanted to go to grad school was because I felt like it was the next step – not because I felt like I needed it. I was stuck in a dead-end job and needed a change.

    I decided going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt was NOT the solution. I could learn much of what is being taught by myself. I could find my own mentors that would be more active cheerleaders than the professors would probably ever be.

    I’m grateful I did some introspection before I even pulled the trigger. I wanted to go for all the wrong reasons. I can now say, I don’t want a traditional MBA. I just want to continuously learn and make myself a better person and business owner.

  • Colinwantsanmba

    I’d love to read this book! Thanks Jenny.

  • Cmc278

    I just found this blog and it seems pretty interesting. I am about to graduate with a B.S. degree that I don”t know what to do with and it is hard to find good advice about what to do now that I’m done with college.

    • http://entryleveldilemma.blogspot.com Edward – Entry Level Dilemma

      That is frequently the case when you graduate. Just have to pick what field you want to go into and show your degree of as proof of your skills in research, critical thinking, communication, etc.

  • Amber

    Intriguing… headed to the site to find out more now! Thanks!

  • Anonymous

    I keep hearing and reading about Josh Kaufman and The Personal MBA. Think it’s about time I check it out! Excited there is a book now and our local library has ordered the book it so I put myself on the wait list to read it.

  • Anonymous

    I love the idea of a personal MBA. I read quite a few business books, but it would definitely help me to read about some topics that I don’t normally touch. I too started a side hustle, while I’m biased, I think I learned more than I ever could from an MBA program – and it was much less expensive.

  • http://www.enteradulthood.com Diana Antholis

    Jenny, it’s so ironic I see this post from you after we were talking last night about my big goal – the PhD in Business (Org Behavior).
    Like you, I thought MBA was the way to go, but I realized that the ONE thing I wanted out of the MBA would only be covered in a handful of courses. That’s why I chose to still continue to do a Master’s degree – but specialized in what I wanted. While my MA in Org Management is technically a business degree, I was able to have all of my credits focused on the topic I was interested in. To me, this made more sense because 1) I got what I wanted 2) It was less expensive 3) I still had all the great resources from going to school. (I was also making a career transition – so doing that was a crash course in the industry I wanted to be in.)

    I would love to read the Personal MBA to learn even more and to compare my degree. And now we all know that I would love to be able to become a professor to teach in business schools – but that is because of what Josh is saying and why he wrote this book. I want to change the way business is taught. I’ve seen it first-hand and would love to be one of those professors who makes a difference.

    I agree that reading this book would be a great starting point if one is considering an MBA. But, there is no arguing that going to business school is primarily for networking as well. Some people need that type of environment not only to learn, but to meet new people who are similar to them. They can’t all get involved in awesome tweet-ups. ;)

    Love the interview and look forward to when the book comes out! Great idea Josh.

  • http://www.lifewithsocialmedia.com Anna Manasova

    Great interview, I’ve been coming across this book at a few places so maybe it is time to get it pre-ordered =).

  • KatyPal

    This is a great post. I graduated from college 2.5 years ago and like a lot of graduates I thought that going back to school to get some sorta degree was the only answer. I’m not even interested in the field my degree is in anymore. I’m going to look into getting this book hopefully it can help me with new en devours.

  • https://twitter.com/StacyannF Stacyann

    Great interview. Has anyone read this book yet? Curious to hear how it’s worked for you.

  • http://megancassidy.wordpress.com/ Megan Cassidy

    This book looks great for someone like me, who didn’t take but one business course in college but now realizes it’s so useful just to know how it works.

  • Julie

    Thank you, Jenny! I am totally on the “should i or shouldn’t i pursue an MBA” boat right now – looking forward to the release of this book!

  • Senatormothma

    Thanks for this post! I’ve read a few books about starting businesses but figured it was something I’d never really be able to do without a business degree (something I have NEVER felt the desire to get).

    Nice to know it’s doable without the massive amounts of debt and time. :)

  • Felice Lam

    Great entry. Very insightful.

  • http://emilyinchile.blogspot.com emilyinchile

    I haven’t written off the idea of doing a formal MBA someday, but I definitely don’t want to do one just to have a piece of paper saying I’ve done it. When/if I get to the point that I feel like further business education is necessary, I want to first look at WHY I think it’s necessary – aka what I want to end up doing with that new knowledge – and then see what the best way is to get what I’m looking for. If that’s a traditional MBA program, then that’s great, but if not then I don’t want to be so focused on three little letters that I miss out on something that might be a better plan for my goals.

  • http://twitter.com/lovedbylisa Lisa Lewis

    Sounds like a really useful book. I bet my BF will steal it if I win it!!

  • Brent

    Awesome advice. Definitely look forward to the book.

  • Tiffany

    I wish there had been some extra guidance to prepare me for “life after college”. The economic downturn has made advice even more valuable. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts!

  • http://twitter.com/thomasgetchius Tom Getchius

    Thanks so much for this interview and the insight. I’ve been working in non-profits in the last 5 years and have struggled with this question; to get an MBA (or an MPA which is more appropriate for non-profit, or to not get one). I, like you and many others, don’t want to assume the $100K+ debt just to get the credentials behind my name and then HOPE for a job that pays more money and aligns with my passions.

  • http://www.danielhoang.com danielhoang

    MBA programs are great for networking and meeting people in your program. If you’re there for an education, go read a book instead.

  • Mikelicea

    This would be a great book to read!

  • http://twitter.com/wornballetshoes Jennifer Michaels

    Jenny, I’ve often thought about furthering my education since my career is so versatile–slowly writing my children’s book while working in retail management. My BA is in English and Communications which I believe helps 10x over in customer service–since I’ve been in retail management since after I graduated from college in 2002. All other members of management in my company have some kind of business degree. How essential is it? And does having a master’s in business make someone fit to be in the customer service business?

  • http://twitter.com/kerikaeindc Keri Kae

    Curious to learn more about the book. It strikes a chord with my personal feelings about learning and the MBA process.

  • Mcandej

    Helpful post. I have also been thinking about going back for an MBA, but wasn’t sure if it was worth the investment. Maybe a quick read will help!

    • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org jennyblake

      Congrats!! You won the copy of the book — will you email your mailing address to me when you get a chance? My email is jennyblake@gmail.com.

      Happy Holidays!

  • Angela Adamczyk

    I really enjoyed this post and can definitely relate to this topic at this time in my life. Thanks for a different perspective!

  • http://www.scottergories.com Scott Cowley

    What a great interview. Education is rapidly changing and its important for educators and schools to recognize the value in altering the delivery of information as a way to stay competitive. I’d love to read this book! Thanks for a great contest.

  • WhiffSD

    So crazy that you interviewed him; I just found his blog and have been inhaling his posts for the past two weeks or so! Awesome!!

  • Kelly Christianson

    I got my masters and boy do I wish I would have read this before putting myself through it. Of course, education should not be a regret and I don’t necessarily regret it, but its harder to stomach when paying my student loans each month. Thanks for sharing!

  • Kimberly B

    This book sounds excellent! Great insights and inspiration! I don’t want to do a full MBA program, but I need the knowledge for my current job.

  • Mariejes

    This book seems amazing. I’ve been pondering the idea of going back to school for an MBA but there are a few things holding me back. I’m intimidated for one and just don’t want to take most of the classes needed to complete the degree. I think, why sacrifice all this time and money not knowing if it will actually open more doors. I think it would give me more confidence on starting my own business but, getting hired or promoted in Corporate America? I don’t feel as confident about that. I know MBA’s at my office and they’re in similar positions as me with a BA. I’m excited to check out this book…

  • http://1lifeabundant.wordpress.com Samantha

    I am familiar with Josh’s site….the book sounds like a great read!

  • http://twitter.com/oswfrans Oswin Frans

    Book seems interesting still doubting myself if I should get an mba or not. Because it is not only about the knowledge, but also about the connections and the fact that it enhances your resumé.

  • Adil

    This is Amazing. I love the opportunity to win a copy of the book. At work now, will put a more substance-full comment after :)

  • Leland

    The Personal MBA sounds like a great book! Even if I don’t win, I’m sure I’ll look into it. After finishing undergrad & grad school with no business courses, I’m realizing how valuable that knowledge really is. It’s relieving to know that I wouldn’t need to shell out for another degree to get that experience!

  • http://www.mirecho.com Suj

    When laid out like that, it does put into perspective of the importance of a degree, credential versus education.

    Good post, I’ll be looking into the book. Happy Holidays!

    • http://www.lifeaftercollege.org jennyblake

      Hey Suj! You won a copy of the book :) Will you send me your address when you get a chance?

      Happy Holidays!

      P.S. Absolutely LOVE your blog and your about page — very inspiring and thought-provoking :)

  • http://shesafitchick.com Jennifer

    Yay I made it just in time! I would love to read his book!

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